A further conversation with Joe
August 16th, 2008This took place on the 30th & 31st of July. There are further parts which I will put up soon.
Hi Singh, I appreciate your lengthy reply, but find few facts. I’ll just address the worst: It is ludicrous to suggest that the WTC was a false flag operation. There is not a shred of credible evidence to support it. And the arguments about the way the buildings fell are just silly. The physics of the situation guaranteed that once you softened the girders on one floor, with the millions of tons of load, that it would collapse totally, and the accelerating mass collapsing all the other floors in the same way.
Hi Joe,
OK, so you’ve listened to the government appointed excusepert. Experts, however, introduce the following facts:-
1) The towers were built to withstand a direct hit from a Boing 707 - an aircraft somewhat larger that that actually used.
2) Jet fuel burns at a temperature too low to melt steel by some hundreds of degrees.
3) Once the jet fuel was burnt up (a matter of a few minutes) the only burnable material in the building was paper, soft furnishings, and the like. Stuff that you would find in any typical office. They burn at even lower temperatures. Even had the entire building burnt out, the steel superstructure and floors would have remained intact.
4) Never, ever, has any other tall, steel frame building collapsed as a result of fire.
6) The engineers who got to the scene before the government made the site an official secret and rapidly disposed of the remains to an undisclosed third country so as to avoid the investigation compulsory in such events, report clear evidence of many steel girders having been cut through at temperatures way in excess of that possible in the fire which actually occured.
7) The style of cutting of the steel girders is not only typical of “Thermite” (an explosive used to control demolish such buildings) it is (quote) “difficult to imagine how they could have been cut in any other way and impossible that the towers could have come down vertically into their own footprint other than by controlled demolition” (unquote)
On several of the live videos of the collapses, a series of explosions preceding the wave of collapse can clearly be seen. These explosions are so typical of controlled demolition that (quote) “there is no other immaginable explanation” (unquote)
The architect of the building, after asbestos had been stupidly banned in the sixties, said that a fire above the 80th floor (where asbestos stopped) would collapse the building. It is simple physics.
9) Both the engineers who actually built the towers and a professor of archtecture have not only repeatedly demonstrated that an internal fire could never have caused a collapse but also point out the impossibility of a vertical collapse due to “natural fire” weakening one side of the building.10) Burning paper and foam rubber is more than five hundred degrees too cool to melt steel! (see 2 & 3 above)
Your assertions about arrest and detainment here are ridiculous; that all of our rights have been impinged are ridiculous. Your belief that the islamofascist government of Iran, Saudi , and others Arabia are not actively moving to replace our religions and governments is naive.
11) would be nice if it were true but, unfortunately it is not as any dilligent researcher will rapidly discover for him/herself. Many links to such data are on this blog in the right hand column.12) Your government has been replaced many, many years ago. Not by an islamic republic but by an “elite” calling themselves the “Illuminati”. Henry Ford may have been your last elected president although Ron Paul, who is indisputably a leading expert on this, states that the last constitutional administration ended in 1936. The Illuminati see it as proper that the world should be governed by an “elite” and by the bankers (quote from Rockerfeller). To this end, you are only permitted to see their candidates - others are shut out by a mass media which is virtually 100% owned by the banking cartel.13) No group, large, small, official, private, secular, religious or whatever, has ever shown the slightest interest in converting the USA to Islam.
You sound more like a raving lunatic the more you speak. Your beliefs are quite mad.
14) The words “beliefs” and “facts”, Joe, do not have the same meaning. What is going on is, I agree, completely insane. Those perpetrating it could, under no cirumstances, be classed as “of sound mind” yet, because they have control of your government and your money and have had for many decades, their plans are nearing fruition.15) Again, quoting from the Illuminati themselves, “The probabalilty of successfully creating the New World Order (dictatorship by the banking cartel and friends) is very high because inferior minds (by this they mean you, Joe) would never envisage that anything on this scale and so all-embracing could ever be planned let alone put into effect. Only when we have full control of the world will they begin to realise the magnitude and scope of our plan and our achievement.”
Joe
16) To give you some idea of how all-embracing their programme is, also take a L O N G look at www.HealthFreedomUSA.org and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy-fD78zyvI
Blessed be.
Karma